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Second Hand Camera Bargains

Derek Smith • Sep 09, 2020

With a Budget of £500

the sony camera system, two cameras, and a range of lenses
Second-hand Camera Bargains

No, this isn’t an article on Sony cameras specifically, but more an article on the piece that Amateur Photographer ran on the 22nd August about buying a second-hand camera for £500 which I found to be very interesting.

Firstly a couple of thoughts on this from my own experience, look at the new camera market in the first instance, many camera manufacturers continue to sell an older version of the latest updated camera, so you may well find a mark II version at a cheaper price than a mark III flagship model, and lots of camera manufacturers run discounted promotions, cashback, £200 pounds off, or free accessories. Also, bundling, where a camera manufacturer offers a two lens and camera body bundle, this can really get you quickly started into photography.

The second point is when buying an interchangeable lens camera is that you will be buying into a camera system, there’s no point in paying £300 for a camera body, then finding that the lenses are twice that price.

Right, so in the order that AP published:

Canon EOS 70D – An APS-C DSLR, 20.2MP sensor, Dual Pixel CMOS AF, with phase detect AF in Live View, single SD card slot, the body is dust, and moisture resistant - £370

The lens choice, and prices impressed me with the Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM - £209

Fujifilm X-T2 – An APS-C mirrorless 24.3MP X-Trans CMOS III sensor, hybrid AF, dual SD card slots, very good ergonomics and analogue setting dials - £459

A good range of lenses are available, but the Fuji lenses do tend to be a little pricier, the Fujifilm XF 18-55 F2.8-4R LM OIS, standard zoom range - £249

Nikon D7200 – An APS-C DSLR, 24.2MP CMOS sensor, dual card slots, long battery life, and Wi-Fi connectivity, large buffer for continuous shooting, autofocus is 51-point phase detect. - £479

Second-hand DX-format lenses are plentiful, and inexpensive, a Nikon AF-S 50mm f/1.8 G - £109. Nikon AF-S 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR - £129

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II – A Micro Four Thirds mirrorless 16MP CMOS sensor, autofocus is 81-point contrast detect, single card SD slot, weather sealed, and 5 axis IBIS. - £319

An interesting choice this one, in choosing the mid-range camera, personally if I could do without the weather sealing, I would choose the Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark II, second-hand price £199, or new, Olympus were recently offering this camera at only £499, with the 14-42mm kit lens. If I could push the budget the Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, fully weather sealed, with dual card slots, and the 20.4MP Live MOS phase detect sensor, autofocus is 121-point phase detect. - £679

Lenses are plentiful for the long-established Micro Four Thirds system, prices seem to polarise a little, dubbed the “plastic fantastic” Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm F4-5.6 R can be obtained new online for £99. For a dedicated prime portrait lens the Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm F1.8 is amazing value at £139. However, if the PRO line-up of lenses takes your fancy, full weather sealing, and metal construction, look to pay £500 - £1000.

Panasonic Lumix DMC-G80 – Another Micro Four Thirds mirrorless system camera, styled as a DSLR, with 16MP CMOS sensor, weather sealed, IBIS working in conjunction with certain Panasonic stabilised lenses Dual IS, 4K video, autofocus is 49-point contrast detect (Depth from Defocus) - £369

If you would prefer a smaller range finder style of camera, then consider the Panasonic DC GX7 16MP sensor, 3 axis IBIS – under £200, or the GX8 / GX9 with the 20.3MP sensor, and improved IBIS.  – up to £400

Lens choices, simply spoilt for choice, Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH “pancake” lens - £159. Panasonic Lumix G Vario 100-300mm F4-5.6 II OIS (that’s a full frame reach of 200-600mm weighing 520g) dust, and splashproof with Dual IS stabilisation - £359

Sony Alpha 7 – This was the very first full frame mirrorless camera launched in 2013, 24MP CMOS sensor, autofocus 117-point hybrid, and 25-point contrast detect focus points. - £409

Another interesting choice from AP, this camera is for someone who has to have a full frame camera on a budget, and can live with the cameras many quirks, for the rest of us don’t even think about it, save your money and go for the Sony Alpha 7II, much more polished, with full 5 axis IBIS - £754. Personally, at this price point, I wouldn’t even consider a full frame camera, the hobbyist photographer would be better served by buying a crop sensor mirrorless camera such as the Fujifilm X-T2, or one of the Sony A6000 series APS-C cameras.

So, how about a brand new Sony A6000? Widely available at only £499, with the 16-50mm kit lens. This APS-C camera has a 24MP CMOS sensor, autofocus is 179-point hybrid AF, the camera body is un-stabilised, but Sony lenses for APS-C cameras have built-in Optical Steady Shot (OSS) stabilisation, this option is an excellent beginner camera, with several advanced features, and great image quality.

Sony lenses can be quite expensive to buy, third party lens manufacturers such as Tamron, Sigma, and Samyang produce excellent optics for the Sony system with realistic pricing. A word about the Sony system, both full frame, and APS-C lenses use the same Sony E-mount. Lenses designed for the full frame cameras are designated as FE lenses and can be used on the APS-C cameras without any issues. As an example I used the Samyang AF 24mm F2.8 FE lens on my Sony A7II, and it was an excellent lens providing a 24mm field of view on the full frame camera, and the lens worked extremely well on the Sony APS-C A6300, with the only change being the field of view with a crop factor of 1.5x the 24mm lens becomes a 36mm equivalent lens. Working the other way around the Sony 35mm F1.8 OSS lens performs very well as a 50mm equivalent lens on the A6000 APS-C series cameras, but with the lens mounted on the A7 full frame camera the lens will only illuminate the smaller APS-C part of the full frame sensor, the camera defaults to “crop sensor” mode, and the benefit of the full frame sensor is lost.

Lots of choice then for not very much money, relatively.

Camera choices from Amateur Photographer magazine, with my own thoughts, and observations, photo of the Sony A6000, A6300 APS-C cameras, and lenses.

Derek Smith

Louth Photographic Society

by Derek Smith 02 Jul, 2024
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by Graham Harrison 30 Jun, 2024
Good Morning All Last Wednesday we visited Chambers Farm Wood with a good number of members attending again. It was a wonderful sunny evening but once again very little wildlife, not sure whether the wet and cold weather has played havoc with the wildlife or something else, it certainly wasn’t a cold winter. I have attached a couple of photos that I took on the evening. This week don’t forget there is no meeting on Wednesday 3rd July, but instead our annual meal is on next Friday 5th July at the Royal Oak (Splash) Little Cawthorpe, the food order was taken in on Friday night and everything appears to be correct. We need a judge for the PDI competition to be held Wednesday July 10th if no one fancies doing it I can judge instead of entering. Harry is now accepting your entries for the competition, with the categories of "Local Photojournalism" and "Open". Regards Graham
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Several members participated in our group photographic outing, which took place last night to Chambers Farm Wood, near Wragby. These outings are a fabulous opportunity to socialise, and get out with your camera among fellow photographers. Sadly, there didn’t seem to be many insects, or butterflies in evidence. However, in the Butterfly Garden, Graham pointed out a golden-bloomed grey longhorn beetle which I haven’t seen before, and in the meadow Dave pointed out a orb weaver spider spinning a web between tall plants. It was a beautiful warm evening, and it was great to be outdoors.
by Graham Harrison 23 Jun, 2024
Good Afternoon All Last Wednesday we had an outing to Donna Nook, A good turnout of members and a pleasant walk along the dunes and back along the beach. I have done a short blog on the evening. I did take the photo of the Oystercatcher last Wednesday, a long distant photo that didn’t come out too badly. This week, 29th June, we have another outing on Wednesday evening, A visit to Chambers Wood near Wragby, if we meet in the butterfly garden for 6.30 and then have a walk to the meadow and through the woods. Chambers wood is heading from Louth head for Wragby right at the roundabout then left at the traffic lights. Continue for about four miles and there is a left turn which I don’t think is signposted to Chambers wood from memory go down the lane and turn right at the next turning for Chambers wood. You may find better directions on the internet or sat nav. The following week, Friday 5th July is our annual meal and then a PDI competition the following week, with the categories of "Local Photojournalism (25 mile radius from Louth)" and "Open" (no limits) You can send entries to Harry when you are ready. It is a competition to be judged by members if we have any volunteers. Regards Graham
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by Graham Harrison 22 Jun, 2024
Good Morning All Last week at the club we had round two of the LPA Battles against RB. RB won the battle on the night but it is the scores that are important this year, Louth scored 159 and RB 165, well done to RB and both clubs had some excellent prints on show. This week we have an outing at Donna Nook, North Somercoates, the weather looks better for this week fingers crossed, so meeting in the main car park at 6.30. Directions are as follows, from Louth head for North Somercoates and at the Axe and Clever head across the junction following the road round a right hand bend the turn left for Donna Nook and the sea. The car park is at the end of the road, easy to find as any further and you're on the beach. More information can be found on the internet under the Lincolnshire Wildlife Trust. Regards Graham
by Derek Smith 13 Jun, 2024
This evening saw the 2nd Round of the LPA Battles, with us Louth head to head with RB Foto, the judge for the evening was the knowledgeable, and competent Martyn Wrigg. The room was packed as the competition began, and it was good to see many RB members attending. About a third of the way into the competition, many of our best prints were being awarded lower points than expected, and RB had 9 "holdbacks", as opposed to our 7 "holdbacks" at the break. After the break Martyn the judge "demoted" English Rose, and Under the Glacier, 2 our "holdbacks" to 17 points, to be fair Christmas Visit to Lincoln Cathedral, and Cleaning Windows "holdbacks" from RB were also demoted to 17 points. The only print of ours to achieve 20 points was Roydon Common Morning by Dave Turner. Overall it was a great competition, with some amazing high quality prints submitted, with the final scores of Louth 258, and RB 265. Congratulations to RB Foto for a well deserved win in the 2nd Round of the LPA Battles. The 3rd Round of the LPA Battles will be held at Barton, on the 24th July, which will see us matched against Barton, and Lincoln.
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Good Morning All I had a walk around Red Hill last weekend, there's very little about just yet though, a few insects and flowers but should be a few more about soon. Last week we held our monthly print competition judged by Grahame Dunkin, there were nearly fifty entries and of a very high standard, all the results are on our website. There are no more competitions now until September so plenty of time to get out with your cameras. It will also soon be outing time, an opportunity to go out as a group and share knowledge and with luck some good photographs. This week, Wednesday 12th June, at the club we are holding round two of the LPA Battles against RB, and our judge for the evening will be Martyn Wrigg of Barton. Regards Graham
by Derek Smith 07 Jun, 2024
A print competition was held last night with the categories of “Something Red”, and “Open”. Our judge for the evening was Grahame Dunkin, and he gave a comprehensive, and detailed review of each submitted print. The standard of prints was again very high, the level of competence, and skill of our members seem to be improving with each competition that we hold. A photographic print is a very tactile thing, and when the standard of submitted prints is as high as it is then details matter, an improved or more considered crop of the image, removing, or avoiding busy backgrounds, ensuring that verticals are straight, and toning down bright areas in the background, may have resulted in the print being awarded more points. In the “Something Red” category Graham Harrison was awarded first place for his print titled “The Red Boat”, it is in this image that photographic skills come into play, the boat is deliberately placed in the bottom third of the image, providing the viewer with a contextual view of the Morecambe Bay mud flats, on what appears to be a very dismal day, another photographer might have used a telephoto lens to take a closer image of the boat, but this would have lessened the visual impact of the final print. In the “Open” category Graham Harrison was awarded first place for his “Sand Racer” quad bike print, this time the drama, and speed of the quad bike on the sand is played out against the blurred spectators in the background, again giving a sense of time, and place. Thanks go to our judge Grahame Dunkin, our members for participating in the competition making for an enjoyable evening, Dave Turner for compiling the prints, and Dave Mann for the refreshments.
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I have been asked to circulate the attached poster about the NELPS latest exhibition which has just opened in Grimsby. The exhibition is open for the next 3 months from 10.00am to 2.30pm daily at the Canopy Community Hub in Grant Thorold Park, Durban Road. Grimsby. The only alteration to the opening times is that the room is in use by another group on Monday and Friday mornings between 10.00am and 11.00am. The Centre has an excellent café where you can get a wide range of light meals, drinks and cakes!
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