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Second Hand Camera Bargains

Derek Smith • 9 September 2020

With a Budget of £500

the sony camera system, two cameras, and a range of lenses
Second-hand Camera Bargains

No, this isn’t an article on Sony cameras specifically, but more an article on the piece that Amateur Photographer ran on the 22nd August about buying a second-hand camera for £500 which I found to be very interesting.

Firstly a couple of thoughts on this from my own experience, look at the new camera market in the first instance, many camera manufacturers continue to sell an older version of the latest updated camera, so you may well find a mark II version at a cheaper price than a mark III flagship model, and lots of camera manufacturers run discounted promotions, cashback, £200 pounds off, or free accessories. Also, bundling, where a camera manufacturer offers a two lens and camera body bundle, this can really get you quickly started into photography.

The second point is when buying an interchangeable lens camera is that you will be buying into a camera system, there’s no point in paying £300 for a camera body, then finding that the lenses are twice that price.

Right, so in the order that AP published:

Canon EOS 70D – An APS-C DSLR, 20.2MP sensor, Dual Pixel CMOS AF, with phase detect AF in Live View, single SD card slot, the body is dust, and moisture resistant - £370

The lens choice, and prices impressed me with the Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM - £209

Fujifilm X-T2 – An APS-C mirrorless 24.3MP X-Trans CMOS III sensor, hybrid AF, dual SD card slots, very good ergonomics and analogue setting dials - £459

A good range of lenses are available, but the Fuji lenses do tend to be a little pricier, the Fujifilm XF 18-55 F2.8-4R LM OIS, standard zoom range - £249

Nikon D7200 – An APS-C DSLR, 24.2MP CMOS sensor, dual card slots, long battery life, and Wi-Fi connectivity, large buffer for continuous shooting, autofocus is 51-point phase detect. - £479

Second-hand DX-format lenses are plentiful, and inexpensive, a Nikon AF-S 50mm f/1.8 G - £109. Nikon AF-S 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR - £129

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark II – A Micro Four Thirds mirrorless 16MP CMOS sensor, autofocus is 81-point contrast detect, single card SD slot, weather sealed, and 5 axis IBIS. - £319

An interesting choice this one, in choosing the mid-range camera, personally if I could do without the weather sealing, I would choose the Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark II, second-hand price £199, or new, Olympus were recently offering this camera at only £499, with the 14-42mm kit lens. If I could push the budget the Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, fully weather sealed, with dual card slots, and the 20.4MP Live MOS phase detect sensor, autofocus is 121-point phase detect. - £679

Lenses are plentiful for the long-established Micro Four Thirds system, prices seem to polarise a little, dubbed the “plastic fantastic” Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm F4-5.6 R can be obtained new online for £99. For a dedicated prime portrait lens the Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm F1.8 is amazing value at £139. However, if the PRO line-up of lenses takes your fancy, full weather sealing, and metal construction, look to pay £500 - £1000.

Panasonic Lumix DMC-G80 – Another Micro Four Thirds mirrorless system camera, styled as a DSLR, with 16MP CMOS sensor, weather sealed, IBIS working in conjunction with certain Panasonic stabilised lenses Dual IS, 4K video, autofocus is 49-point contrast detect (Depth from Defocus) - £369

If you would prefer a smaller range finder style of camera, then consider the Panasonic DC GX7 16MP sensor, 3 axis IBIS – under £200, or the GX8 / GX9 with the 20.3MP sensor, and improved IBIS.  – up to £400

Lens choices, simply spoilt for choice, Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH “pancake” lens - £159. Panasonic Lumix G Vario 100-300mm F4-5.6 II OIS (that’s a full frame reach of 200-600mm weighing 520g) dust, and splashproof with Dual IS stabilisation - £359

Sony Alpha 7 – This was the very first full frame mirrorless camera launched in 2013, 24MP CMOS sensor, autofocus 117-point hybrid, and 25-point contrast detect focus points. - £409

Another interesting choice from AP, this camera is for someone who has to have a full frame camera on a budget, and can live with the cameras many quirks, for the rest of us don’t even think about it, save your money and go for the Sony Alpha 7II, much more polished, with full 5 axis IBIS - £754. Personally, at this price point, I wouldn’t even consider a full frame camera, the hobbyist photographer would be better served by buying a crop sensor mirrorless camera such as the Fujifilm X-T2, or one of the Sony A6000 series APS-C cameras.

So, how about a brand new Sony A6000? Widely available at only £499, with the 16-50mm kit lens. This APS-C camera has a 24MP CMOS sensor, autofocus is 179-point hybrid AF, the camera body is un-stabilised, but Sony lenses for APS-C cameras have built-in Optical Steady Shot (OSS) stabilisation, this option is an excellent beginner camera, with several advanced features, and great image quality.

Sony lenses can be quite expensive to buy, third party lens manufacturers such as Tamron, Sigma, and Samyang produce excellent optics for the Sony system with realistic pricing. A word about the Sony system, both full frame, and APS-C lenses use the same Sony E-mount. Lenses designed for the full frame cameras are designated as FE lenses and can be used on the APS-C cameras without any issues. As an example I used the Samyang AF 24mm F2.8 FE lens on my Sony A7II, and it was an excellent lens providing a 24mm field of view on the full frame camera, and the lens worked extremely well on the Sony APS-C A6300, with the only change being the field of view with a crop factor of 1.5x the 24mm lens becomes a 36mm equivalent lens. Working the other way around the Sony 35mm F1.8 OSS lens performs very well as a 50mm equivalent lens on the A6000 APS-C series cameras, but with the lens mounted on the A7 full frame camera the lens will only illuminate the smaller APS-C part of the full frame sensor, the camera defaults to “crop sensor” mode, and the benefit of the full frame sensor is lost.

Lots of choice then for not very much money, relatively.

Camera choices from Amateur Photographer magazine, with my own thoughts, and observations, photo of the Sony A6000, A6300 APS-C cameras, and lenses.

Derek Smith

Louth Photographic Society

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by Graham Harrison 17 November 2024
Good morning All Firstly my computer is not working at the moment, I am hoping to get it sorted just to retrieve the files on it. Hopefully will be sorted for next week. Last week at the club member Dave Turner gave a pdi presentation featuring Englands East coast from Northumberland to Norfolk. We were treated to some excellent photography from many places that were familiar to many of us but from maybe different angles to what we are used to seeing. The NEMPF exhibition results have been sent to me, as a club we had 7 accepted. This week, Wednesday 20th, we are holding our PDI of the year competition judged by LPA president Gail Wrigg. Regards Graham
by Derek Smith 14 November 2024
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by Derek Smith 13 November 2024
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by Graham Harrison 12 November 2024
Good Morning All Last week at the club we had a fascinating evening with Alan Harniess coming along to the club whilst visiting family in Louth. Alan showed us his two projects that he had completed photographing strangers he met in the street or pubs around the Birmingham area. There is a blog on our website explaining more. This week, Wednesday 13th, one of our members Dave Turner will be showing photographs from along England's East Coast. Don't forget to enter the PDI of the year if you have not already, the deadline is 6pm this Wednesday. Regards Graham
by Derek Smith 7 November 2024
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by Harry Kerman 4 November 2024
Graham Harrison, Dave Turner and I attended the LPA PDI Inter club Competition yesterday, 3rd November. It was well attended by the 12 LPA clubs that entered the competition. The judge was Steffan Nicholson from Newark, who apparently stepped in at the last minute as the original judge had Covid. Steffan though very critical, was very fair in his comments. However, he did make many assumptions concerning some of the images. There were some very good images from the clubs and the standard was high. The judge held 15 images back from the 108 entrants and of those he gave three 20’s. Dave Turner was one of the 15 and scored 18 points for his image, Louth’s highest scorer. Well done, Dave. The eventual outcome was Grimsby taking the honours with Axholme 2nd and Cleethorpes 3rd. We came 7th which unfortunately was not as high as last year. Diane Seddon from Cleethorpes took the individual trophy with a stunning image called The Travelling Man, it depicted a man on a bench in the pouring rain. Well, that’s it for another year, let’s hope next year we can again be in the top four, illustrated here is one of Dave Turners earlier images, Kings Cross - Going Down
by Graham Harrison 4 November 2024
Good Morning All Last week at the club we had members giving 15-minute mini lectures on club outings as well as other subjects. There is a report on our website, but it was a very good evening ending in Richard Hildred showing Bromoil prints. This week, Wednesday 6th November Alan Harness will be speaking and showing PDI's, Alan is travelling quite a way to speak to us so hopefully as many members as possible will be there on the night. If you have not entered the PDI of the year, send your entry to Harry as soon as you can please. Today at 1pm we are as a club taking part in the LPA club PDI competition at Nettleham, hopefully we will have a few members attend the competition. Regards Graham
by Derek Smith 31 October 2024
At our meeting last night, members of the Society gave a series of “mini lectures”. The topic for the evening was intended to showcase images from the summer Society outings to the nature reserves at Donna Nook, Chambers Wood, and Kirkby Gravel Pits. Unfortunately, owing to the paucity of wildlife this year at the various nature reserves the wildlife images were short on the ground, members stepped up and produced some exceptional images from over this summer. Dave Turner produced some beautiful monochrome images of grasses, and thistles from Chambers Wood. Tony Gaskins stunned with one of his trademark long exposure seascape images, followed up by atmospheric images of his trip to the isle of Harris, and a beautiful image of a Gannet inflight at Bempton Cliffs. Paul Twomey produced some excellent considered images from a visit to the National Trust properties at Quarry Bank, and Lyme Park in Cheshire. Graham Harrison as the Society President had attended all three outings found the greatest concentration of wildlife at Kirkby Gravel Pits, and this stunning image of mating damsel flies is testament to that. Chris Birchmore treated members to a selection of his images of local churches from the Open Church week, as well as photos from the Heckington Show, and steam road engines at the Driffield Showground. Last, but not least, Richard Hildred passed around some of the prints from the Bromoil Circle box, this heritage photographic print technique creates some exquisite artistic prints. It was fascinating to see the diverse skills of members of the Society, a big thanks to members who participated in the lectures making for a wonderful evening. Thanks also to Dave Mann who tirelessly provides refreshments for our evening meetings.
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